Okay, okay, so we decided to try... visualising our thought on the back fins vs wings thing? (and alsomaybe did some other visual thinking on the way)
(and messed around with a bunch of other lines and stuff because.)


Obviously our main thought was "why the wings when there are perfectly viable back fins?"
(transparency or not, we just?)

Following our main thought, which required us to go about erasing the wings so we could draw out our thoughts, we were like... "why does the tail fin appear to be attaching to the underbelly? ... wait, it is? Uh." and may have spent a while making it so it was a horizontal fin instead of a vertical fin because mammalian basis lends itself to up-down vertebral movement. Also bilateral symmetry of spines for horizontal tail, but that's all because we're a... bit pedantic about biology sometimes... >`_>;

Made her neck a tad bit thicker via the back of it, too, because staring at it as long as we did made us really question why is was so thin. Horse. Neck muscles. (Carnivore, neck muscles)

And our thoughts led to readjustments of hind fins (the adult female's fin spines just don't seem to all be emerging from a single point like all the other kelparis'), mouth (we wanted to see what it'd look like) and eye size (same)

(Added in the mysteriously missing shoulder, but decided that we are lousy enough at horses to not bother seeing what broader hooves would look like. And then got lazy and decided to forgo trying to draw in leg fins to thing about how that would work)

Ah I dunno. This is just our thoughts visualised so we could get it off our mind. Let other people see them, I guess.

(... staring at our fin edit ended up making us think about D&D Gold dragons and their wings. Huh.)

these are so pretty! it is always nice to see what the new species revamps, and i am really glad to know that this one is also pretty awesome (especially because of the anatomy changes, i am in love with those).

just a few comments though.
the male is okay, but the female wing is a bit odd. the male attaches over the shoulder, but the female's attaches behind and down a bit. is that intentional? it looks a bit off.

The male hatchling is pretty good (apart from the face, which i will talk about later), but the female one lookalike the head is just a bit too big for some reason. maybe it is that the image is enlarged, but i don't believe so... also, her stomach looks too small (in the male hatchling, the stomach widens a bit in the tail, but in the female one it does not.), and the neck looks a bit too wide. Is that just me?

Frankly, the hatchling faces do not really look very equine. they are cute, but i wish they were different. they would have to do some severe bone growth to change into the adult heads that you have there. no offense, but they look like cartoons.

other than that though, it is great, and i really love the new changes. great job :)


Edit:
is the male tale supposed to be much longer than the female tale? (this is not meant offensively...)

Guess I'm going to have to genderbend all my females :/ Love the males, females are way too skinny to match the male.

Loving the male so far--his hooves look awesome!--but the female...

When you go to the generator and head to the kelpari species in the list and click "more information", it says that one of the differences between the qitari and the kelpari is that the kelpari weighs more than the qitari. The male definitely looks like it weighs more than a male qit, while the female looks about the same or even lighter than a female qitari. I'd suggest thickening the female's legs more; not exactly like the male, though. I just find her hooves a little too small.

The hatchlings, I must agree with most people, look too "human" or "mlp". I'm actually really happy with our current hatchling kelpari look:



They still look "natural" even when smiling just as much as the newer design for them.

Well, this is just my opinion. I don't mean to offend anybody! I also agree to the mutation option for hind legs and webbed feet; to be honest, it seems useful.

Yeah, but Kelpies are also demon-fae types. Not exactly friendly, those. Meat eaters, tend to feed on small children, too.

Since they do tend to resemble, as another poster mentioned, Kelpies, perhaps not only a wide mouth but distinctive fangs as well? And longer, sharper, somewhat raking type claws on the foot webbing on the front feet? Something intended to catch and hold LARGE fish like sharks or something when hunting?

Link: https://www.sylestia.com/forums/?thread=33249&page=14#131 Author: Scathreoite Time Posted: 2/15/2016 at 2:12 AM Okay, okay, so we decided to try... visualising our thought on the back fins vs wings thing? (and alsomaybe did some other visual thinking on the way) (and messed around with a bunch of other lines and stuff because.) Obviously our main thought was "why the wings when there are perfectly viable back fins?" (transparency or not, we just?) Following our main thought, which required us to go about erasing the wings so we could draw out our thoughts, we were like... "why does the tail fin appear to be attaching to the underbelly? ... wait, it is? Uh." and may have spent a while making it so it was a horizontal fin instead of a vertical fin because mammalian basis lends itself to up-down vertebral movement. Also bilateral symmetry of spines for horizontal tail, but that's all because we're a... bit pedantic about biology sometimes... >`_>; Made her neck a tad bit thicker via the back of it, too, because staring at it as long as we did made us really question why is was so thin. Horse. Neck muscles. (Carnivore, neck muscles) And our thoughts led to readjustments of hind fins (the adult female's fin spines just don't seem to all be emerging from a single point like all the other kelparis'), mouth (we wanted to see what it'd look like) and eye size (same) (Added in the mysteriously missing shoulder, but decided that we are lousy enough at horses to not bother seeing what broader hooves would look like. And then got lazy and decided to forgo trying to draw in leg fins to thing about how that would work) Ah I dunno. This is just our thoughts visualised so we could get it off our mind. Let other people see them, I guess. (... staring at our fin edit ended up making us think about D&D Gold dragons and their wings. Huh.)

I like this version over the one with the huge wing blocking the body,
but now the belly seems way too slim, it looks weird and needs to be thicker.

Edit to my earlier post:

(I'm not trying to criticize, these are just things that I noticed)

On the adult female, the webbing on her tail and the far wing kind of mesh together and make it difficult to tell them apart. Also, her body is a bit skinny where it goes from horse to fish tail.

I also think the babies' bodies should be stretched out and compacted around the middle a bit more; as they are, they seem a bit unrealistically pudgy. The female's head is a bit too large for the proportions of her body.

Other than that, they look fantastic! Although, on the original, I did like the webbed feet; maybe that could be incorporated as a mutation in the redesign?

Thank you guys for all your hard work! :)

They look so awesome this way!! So majestic.

LOVE LOVE LOVE THIS VERSION!! Without the wings is much better in my opinion, less busy. (Transparent wings would be a wonderful mutation, though)

And like other suggested, maybe have the webbed feet as a mutation? (please?)

*getting excited by the minute about my herd*

Link: https://www.sylestia.com/forums/?thread=33249&page=14#131 Author: Scathreoite Time Posted: 2/15/2016 at 2:12 AM Okay, okay, so we decided to try... visualising our thought on the back fins vs wings thing? (and alsomaybe did some other visual thinking on the way) (and messed around with a bunch of other lines and stuff because.) Obviously our main thought was "why the wings when there are perfectly viable back fins?" (transparency or not, we just?) Following our main thought, which required us to go about erasing the wings so we could draw out our thoughts, we were like... "why does the tail fin appear to be attaching to the underbelly? ... wait, it is? Uh." and may have spent a while making it so it was a horizontal fin instead of a vertical fin because mammalian basis lends itself to up-down vertebral movement. Also bilateral symmetry of spines for horizontal tail, but that's all because we're a... bit pedantic about biology sometimes... >`_>; Made her neck a tad bit thicker via the back of it, too, because staring at it as long as we did made us really question why is was so thin. Horse. Neck muscles. (Carnivore, neck muscles) And our thoughts led to readjustments of hind fins (the adult female's fin spines just don't seem to all be emerging from a single point like all the other kelparis'), mouth (we wanted to see what it'd look like) and eye size (same) (Added in the mysteriously missing shoulder, but decided that we are lousy enough at horses to not bother seeing what broader hooves would look like. And then got lazy and decided to forgo trying to draw in leg fins to thing about how that would work) Ah I dunno. This is just our thoughts visualised so we could get it off our mind. Let other people see them, I guess. (... staring at our fin edit ended up making us think about D&D Gold dragons and their wings. Huh.)