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Kaosu
Level 72
Trickster
Joined: 1/7/2013
Threads: 37
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Posted: 3/6/2013 at 10:45 AM Post #51
I think the issue we are all having with this is that until the genes are placed, there is NO dominance and recession.

Simply a parent with AB will pass A half the time and B half the time.

Neither gene is dominantly passed like it is in real genetics.

However, a gene is dominantly shown.

AB will show A all the time. NA will never show A. Tinkering with an image link shows that the image builder only shows the first gene listed, and puts the second letter as carried. However, the letters must maintain alphabetical order, so AB will exist but not BA.

Did that even make since?

(Side note, since I see a lot of people trying to ping and failing. To ping you put the @ symbol, the name, then a comma.

@Kaosu,

would ping me. Nothing else will work to my knowledge)
Bella1988
Level 60
The Kind-Hearted
Joined: 1/27/2013
Threads: 78
Posts: 2,008
Posted: 3/7/2013 at 6:10 AM Post #52
So, if you capture a sylestie displaying the dominant phenotype, you don't know if she/he is carrying the recessive allele along with the dominant? For example, you could capture two butterfly zolnixis and end up with spirit flames a1/4 of the time (if they're both carrying).

On a side note, I just bred a female butterfly zolnixi to a spirit flame male and (happily) got a spirit flame female.
Net
Level 60
Sweet Solver
Joined: 1/21/2013
Threads: 9
Posts: 197
Posted: 3/7/2013 at 5:02 PM Post #53
Question : Does the trait has to be revealed with a genetic test to be passed on to the offspring?
*This is a great guide
Edited By 1374 on 3/7/2013 at 5:06 PM.
Reynbowz
Level 65
Joined: 12/18/2012
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Posted: 3/16/2013 at 11:47 PM Post #54
Quote From:
Originally Posted: 11/24/2024 at 8:57:31am

@Reynbowz
Actually, that doesn't prove that a recessive allele could be passed to offspring, since the recessive is not competing with the dominant. Basically, the offspring have a 25% chance of carrying the recessive allele and a 25% of carrying the dominant. If the gnarled horn was visible rather then carrying, and a parent of gnarled horn was unicorn horn, and the offspring was carrying unicorn horn, that would prove the carrying recessive allele hypothesis.


I think you misunderstood my wording. We are saying the same thing.
I'm just saying that it is indeed possible for a recessive allele to be passed to offspring as long as it is passed down alone, without a second (dominant) allele.

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Originally Posted: 11/24/2024 at 8:57:31am

I have an interesting specimen: http://www.sylestia.com/view/pets/?petid=40601

@Dimitri,
That certainly is a very interesting specimen! I was suspecting that perhaps Dr/Dr parents could not possibly result in a rr offspring due to some sort of "tainting" factor, but this disproves that thought completely! Very cool. This certainly helps us understand how Syls pass down dominant/recessive genes. Thank you!

Quote From:
Originally Posted: 11/24/2024 at 8:57:31am

Question : Does the trait has to be revealed with a genetic test to be passed on to the offspring?
*This is a great guide

Nope! And thank you (:
Edited By 134 on 3/16/2013 at 11:57 PM.
Reynbowz
Level 65
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Posted: 3/17/2013 at 12:11 AM Post #55
Quote From:
Originally Posted: 11/24/2024 at 8:57:31am

I think the issue we are all having with this is that until the genes are placed, there is NO dominance and recession.

Simply a parent with AB will pass A half the time and B half the time.

Neither gene is dominantly passed like it is in real genetics.

However, a gene is dominantly shown.

@Kaosu,
This definitely seems to be the case, as verifiable via Dimitri's offspring situation. I'll make sure to state this clearly when I add to the guide. Also, thanks for the tip about Pinging!


Quote From:
Originally Posted: 11/24/2024 at 8:57:31am

So, if you capture a sylestie displaying the dominant phenotype, you don't know if she/he is carrying the recessive allele along with the dominant? For example, you could capture two butterfly zolnixis and end up with spirit flames a1/4 of the time (if they're both carrying).

On a side note, I just bred a female butterfly zolnixi to a spirit flame male and (happily) got a spirit flame female.

AFAIK, wild Sylesties displaying a trait will always have matching alleles. Unless the butterfly Zol you used was a wild?
Edited By 134 on 3/17/2013 at 12:13 AM.
Leosnake
Level 60
Joined: 3/17/2013
Threads: 9
Posts: 225
Posted: 3/18/2013 at 2:47 PM Post #56
Hello I haven't been on here very long and after reading this guide I was just wondering is it possible to eventually breed a Zolnixi that has both Tri tails and Butterfly wings visible?

I understand everything that has been written so far and that it is possible to have a child carrying both. Which has also been confirmed by the fact I have come across such Zolnixi that do whilst buying two of my pets, but have yet to see one that possess both visibly. I have noticed however that Tir tails on Kai comes under mutation 1 while Jewel,s Butterfly wings come under 2.

The reason I ask is because Kai my stater has both Advanced Runes and Tri tails visible and Jewel who I was lucky enough to get during the capture quest that Jinxie gives you has the Butterfly wings visible and is carrying the paint gene. I then today whilst looking for potential breeding partners came across Shannon who is a carrier of both Advanced Runes and Tri Tails, who was also on sale for only 1 gold for some reason (I had better check up on that actually after writing this), and another male butterfly wing who was also carrying the paint gene who I named Flick since he was un-named at that point.

I had planned to have Shannon for Kai and Flick for Jewel but now I am thinking of breeding Kai and Jewel together and Flick and Shannon in order to try and get a 3rd gen baby that has both Advanced Runes and Paint markings and I am wondering if I will be able to get the Tri tails and Butterfly wings to as a possible bonus or not.
Reynbowz
Level 65
Joined: 12/18/2012
Threads: 6
Posts: 299
Posted: 3/20/2013 at 2:18 AM Post #57
@Leosnake,
Yes.
Leosnake
Level 60
Joined: 3/17/2013
Threads: 9
Posts: 225
Posted: 3/20/2013 at 5:32 AM Post #58
Quote From:
Originally Posted: 11/24/2024 at 8:57:31am

@Leosnake,
Yes.



Thank you very much Reynbowz . I shall begin working on this right away =D.
Jayfeather451
Level 20
Joined: 3/2/2013
Threads: 54
Posts: 792
Posted: 3/29/2013 at 2:58 PM Post #59
This is like what I learned in 5th grade, it's so simple.Kinda like the way we breed in other games I play.
Edited By 2904 on 3/29/2013 at 3:01 PM.
Sehvinae
Level 60
Seashell Collector
Joined: 3/28/2013
Threads: 32
Posts: 397
Posted: 4/2/2013 at 11:15 PM Post #60
This guide is great! I love seeing other people get into this stuff as much as I do. My only two cents on everything is that I think if you really want to figure out everything, you'll have to break down each breed and its traits individually. It seems like different traits are acting differently, as they do in real life, but on here it seems most (I'm assuming, I haven't looked at much yet since I just joined) are being expressed as recessive traits, and some are dominant, but others are behaving as incomplete dominance. I don't think there are any yet, but I wonder if there could be sex linked traits in the future as well? Co-dominance could be interesting too, but I don't know if the developers would go as far to incorporate any of those. I'll be keeping an eye on this thread for sure, and if I come across anything interesting I'll be sure to share!

*Edit - Hm, I just discovered how easy it is to look at all the alleles for each breed already, so forgive me if that was already common knowledge. I do have a breeding that came out confusing though, so I'm wondering if anyone has any ideas what happened? The mother has a Mutation 1 BC (the B is for unicorn horn, the C is fire mane) and shows unicorn horn. The father, has BB (double uni horn), also showing a horn. The baby got nothing. Granted, I haven't genetically tested it, but it says "none" for the Mutation 1 slot. Shouldn't it have been 50/50 for getting either BC or BB? Where did my baby's horn go? o.O

http://www.sylestia.com/view/pets/?petid=62177
Edited By 3545 on 4/2/2013 at 11:55 PM.
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