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Dragonnadder
Level 71
Nature Walker
Joined: 3/17/2016
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Posts: 1,810
Posted: 3/10/2017 at 12:50 AM Post #51
Okay, I don't know what to think. These new adults seem almost... Lorax-movie style, and too humanoid for my taste. The little ones are wonderful, though.
Here I go.
-The feelers on their heads look a lot like bird feathers or leaves. It seems a bit off to me, and the males' especially seem to be getting in the way of their line of sight. Perhaps making them smaller in proportion to the Lunes' heads would look better.
-Rounding off the eyes more would lead to a less human appearance. They don't even have to be circular eyes, just less pointy. And maybe a more bug-eyed appearance to the eyes as well, like this:

(Tip: don't search up "bug eye" on google images. creepy...)
-The adult arms look like actual human arms, which has been brought up before. Making them more jointed and maybe thinner/shorter would change that.
-They do look more like fairies, as some people said. That's not at all a bad thing on its own, but I'm pretty sure that the Lunes were designed to look like moths...? I'm not saying the more magical aspect is bad, but it doesn't seem much like the original.
-The body and wings look pretty great to me! I do agree that the female's body is a little thin, but that is likely remediable. I think the swirly noses is what bothers me the most. Especially the smile at the end. Beginning? I dunno.
So, there's my basic, not-so-much-artistic idea on this. I do believe the work on this was great, and we should wait until the shaded and colored designs come out to really decide, but so far, not bad!
Kenywi
Level 70
Guardian
Joined: 4/19/2013
Threads: 33
Posts: 271
Posted: 3/10/2017 at 1:27 AM Post #52
Ok just some constructive crit that's mostly been covered.
Faces are kind of funky. I'd go more pointed and add the proboscis <tongue>.
I agree with what one poster said about the hands. Maybe just hands on the top two and then "feet" which could be just a hook.
My biggest problem is the males arms. They look like an afterthought. The female looks like she's "animated" about to make a gesture of some kind. The male's arms look like "AH DUH!" I expect him to shuffle off and terrorize a town.
The thorax could be a bit more slender on both of them.
Sorry I am a nature freak and studied butterflies and moths for years so kind of have a strong opinion on how the Lune's should look. That being said I'm NOT trying to be nasty just trying to explain the reaction I feel. I understand there is a LOT of work going into this and I'm NOT an artist so my suggestions might just be me not being able to see from your perspective.

Thank you all for your hard work either way.

Keny
AnnaHeartz
Level 70
Master Egg Hunter
Joined: 5/22/2013
Threads: 159
Posts: 1,629
Posted: 3/10/2017 at 1:27 AM Post #53
I like the head and body in the revamp but I like the wings of the old Lune.
Silverkitsu
Level 75
Crystalline Cleaver
Joined: 8/24/2016
Threads: 143
Posts: 1,940
Posted: 3/10/2017 at 1:30 AM Post #54
I really like the new look and can't wait for Lunemaras to have some nice new traits, but I don't really like how droopy the male's right arms are, I know it's a small thing but if you're trying to give them more emotion I don't really think the dead arms are the way to go. Hope this is helpful and constructive :)
Keychain
Level 75
High Druid
Joined: 8/11/2014
Threads: 39
Posts: 1,608
Posted: 3/10/2017 at 1:40 AM Post #55
I'm really on the fence about how I feel about these. I like some parts and others just aren't sitting right. Some of these things have probably been mentioned already, but I haven't read the replies yet.

Adults
+ I like the wings, though if the top part could be a bit bigger and not have the cloud-like edges it would be better. Maybe if they had that cute curlycue thing the current lunes have somehow incorporated as well.

+ The faces have a few problems. The shapes, especially the females, remind me of a Who from Dr.Seuss and it looks weird. I don't have suggestions on how to improve that :/
I don't like how the eyes are more almond shaped and not as bug-eyed as they are now. The noses I don't think are a bad direction but they currently don't work for me. The hair patch on the female doesn't belong at all, it needs to go. After all that, I do love the furry edges on the faces and the antennae.

+ The females body is too cut in at the middle, and the males might not need to cut in as much. The male does look okay there, that's just a minor preference on my part.
The new arms are cool, but I think they might be cooler if they also had the furry effect similar to what the current designs have. The females left arms layer funny and the males seem to be kinda hanging there instead of lively.

Babies
+ The male I have nothing to say about since he is basically the same as the one now. He just lost his puffballs and his legs are a bit different. Thumbs up for him.

+ The female looks a bit silly. I don't think it being curled up and eyes closed comes across well. You could possibly try having the eyes open and it might look better? The antennae seem to be in the wrong position too.


Beyond everything I have mentioned, I do like the general direction of them though they could be a bit more moth-y xD I'm excited to see what they will look like when you are all finished with the revamp.
Edited By Keychain on 3/10/2017 at 1:41 AM.
SpaceElf1
Level 75
Ghost Writer
Joined: 9/17/2014
Threads: 701
Posts: 13,152
Posted: 3/10/2017 at 1:47 AM Post #56
I didn't add this to my first post because someone quoted me, and I don't want to seem to be "putting words in their mouth."

It occurred to me--if Lunemaras are not moths (and they are not, any more that Kelparies are kelpies or Zolnixies are foxes) why can't they have mandibles? Mandibles could be drawn so as to be quite expressive.



Even a not-artist can make simple mandibles look a bit like a smile. A real artist could probably do a lot with mandibles.

(Humbly submitted for everyone's consideration.)
Scathreoite
Level 75
Hand of Destiny
Joined: 11/2/2014
Threads: 91
Posts: 4,299
Posted: 3/10/2017 at 1:55 AM Post #57
Opinion on these:
n o
nononononono.
No
Nononono
What are these things, because whatever they are, it isn't lunemara.
And whatever they are, is. ew.
Moths are cute and fuzzy
Those are.
Jus t. legitimately...
I can't even say any one thing is better outside of the antennae.
I realise that this isn't really constructive so far, but I am legit finding it hard to look at these long enough to...

Okay. Let's. Try.
1. Lunemara are moths. Moths are very fluffy and wonderful

These are. Decidedly not. They look smooth, and weird, and kind of like they are actually mutant wasps or ants (wasps are good, but these are. Not)
The current lunemara have sort of caterpillary bodies (not really segmented), but they look furry, andd they aren't meant to be exactly moths. Fluffiness is a reason we like lunes (other than just "moths are great".)

2. They have weird, upward curled... noses? I don't know what is going on there. They remind us of jester shoes? Lunes have pointy snouts, these... I just. Don't understand them? (proboscis coil the other direction, and are usually hard to see unless semi-uncoiled, and are the mouth of of a moth, so)

3. all three leg... arms? and their wings are trying to come out of the exact same spot. Whilst the legs on the current lunes are more spread apart than a moths' would be, they are attached more to the front of the body and the wings towards the back

4. The hands? are just. Strange. The current lunes have little tippy-tap pointy feet, and these are. opposite. Somewhere in-between the two is a moth foot

5. Current babies look like active, alert furry sausages. The proposed male... shouldn't seem so different and off from its counterpart considering the pose is almost the same, but the decrease in fur, smaller mouth-parts and especially the change to the eye make it look. weird. Changing it from cute-happy to. I don't know, it's just. Off to us.
The Female. Well. I think many people have touched on it. The current baby female is, as said, an alert, active, furry sausage. The proposed is sort of weirdly proportioned, in a 'dead caterpillar' pose, and I have legitimately no idea what is going on with the legs.

6. lower wings in front of upper wings, not upper in front of lower. It's something that's present but hard to notice on the current lunes, but very much present in these. (also, why are they. bumpy alonf the bottom of the forward wing)

7. "We opted to make them a little more personable than the originals so that they seem to exert some emotion like Sylesties should."
While the adult female of the current lunes is a bit blank, I have never felt that they weren't personable?? Male baby is obviously cheerful, baby female looks inquisitive, adult male seems bright-eyed and bushy-tailed. Eyes and poses can convey a whole lot.
Also, the new eyes are smaller proportionally to the heads?

8. why does the proposed female have puffadore head hair.

Overall rating: PleaseNo/10

I thought those anthro-moth drawings Krin posted in the genchat a while back were meant as a joke, not legit inspiration for a possibility.
Woodsorrel
Level 45
Assistant to the Sculptor
Joined: 2/3/2017
Threads: 6
Posts: 141
Posted: 3/10/2017 at 2:14 AM Post #58
I have edited the images of the female lunes, both hatchling and adult, to what I would consider to be the ideal lunemara revamp. ^v^
The edits are based on the opinions of both me and others.


EraNime
Level 69
Warden of Umbra
Joined: 2/5/2013
Threads: 104
Posts: 1,888
Posted: 3/10/2017 at 2:49 AM Post #59
I share the same opinion as many people. The new desigs do not look like Lune's.

They look less like a more detailed revamp, and more like a whole new fairy like species that is about to be introduced at the cost of the Lune's.

I'm also not a fan of the over the top gender stereo typing, but I have never been a fan of that with any of the species. Not all females are girly girls. And not all men are cool. Especialy not with animals. The Lune's where one of the few species who had a bit of a balance. There where some gender differences, but nothing to over the top.

These new designs..they make it worse again. But I know thats a personal thing and won't expect much change on that front.

On the more popular front, they just do not look like bugs anymore, and more like fairy wasps. Like mentiond, rather cartoony and somewhat anthro looking. I know this has been mentiond before several times, but I felt that if enough people share their dislike of the new design, it will be removed and a new design, more based on the current one, will make it's way here.

Honestly I don't think there is anything wrong with the current Lune's. They are cute and beautiful and fluffy and they still seem to be the more popular design between the 2.

I'm also agreeing that it feels a bit weird in a bad way to be breeding with humanoid creatures.

If you will stick to the current design regardless, then I would offer the same suggestions as others. Bigger incest like eyes, a less fragile looking body for the female, more fluff, making the arm/legs more fluffy and dynamic and making the face more fluffy/insect like and less humany.

Or just stick to the current Lune's, or use the current Lune's design and just pimp it up a little, give it more detail, more gene's/mutations, but otherwise don't change it to much.

Those who are fond of insect based pets really seem to love the current Lune far more. Many won't be working with these Lune's when they come out I think, as humanoid breeding does make many people feel a bit..uncomfortable. And they just don't look like creatures you'd have as pets.

As Summons, as allies, as friends, even as mischievious enemies, but not as pets.
Amarok
Level 75
Terrifyingly Thrifty
Joined: 4/17/2015
Threads: 105
Posts: 2,892
Posted: 3/10/2017 at 2:54 AM Post #60
Okay, I feel I need to make a new/better reply.

Just reiterating what others have said and fully able to articulate some things I think:

1. lunes need more fuzzy body, not smooth ant-like

2. Even though I really like this ant/wasp like segmentation, I think it's more appropriate for a different species that might be implemented in the future; not the moth-like lunes I love.

3. The lunes could look a little plumpier. Bigger, nice and floofy. Less slender.

4. too anthropomorphic. The eyes should be more bug like, proboscis should be inside the mouth not a part of the nose extending upwards. Also proboscis should be nice and delicate if you're going with that. Hands should be changed to moth-like appendages/legs.

5. Fairy-insect is a nice concept for a new species idea, but...maybe not lunemara? I didn't think lunes were ever meant to be fairies.
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