Oh I wish I could like posts. xD The proposed changes look much much better!

Link: https://www.sylestia.com/forums/?thread=49886&page=8#71 Author: Littlemissmoriarty Time Posted: 8/14/2017 at 11:52 PM Oh I wish I could like posts. xD The proposed changes look much much better!

They do!

Link: https://www.sylestia.com/forums/?thread=49886&page=7#68 Author: Zelly Time Posted: 8/14/2017 at 9:00 PM Well, it is no secret that I am really not a fan of this revamp. It is honestly ultra disappointing to me, as a collector. I am at this point considering continuing my collection of Ladybug Winged Lunes based more on the work that has gone into having a full set, and less out of actually enjoying the species anymore. However, I was encouraged by the admin to put my feedback up, so, yeah. We are still stuck with these curly noses, but there doesn't seem to be a willingness to budge on those since they were called out as unpopular over and over again before. Bases that look excessively thick in girth instead of fluffy thanks to straight inking the bottom sections, and making them quuite plump to boot. The above only goes to exacerbate when these thick creatures, with a great deal of face fluff suddenly come to an end with a slick, bald looking head. That wouldn't matter much, were it not for the fact that an entire mutation slot has been dedicated to removing the fluffy antenna and replacing them with much sparcer ones, showing more of the bald looking head. I really don't find this appealing at all, to have them look like little fat bald men. I feel some consistency to show they're still fluffy on top of their heads would have helped a lot here. As is, I really don't want to use that slot. I don't find much appeal with many of the things that are in it to begin with right now. I really hope we can see something a bit more creative going in this slot, or at least some bigger, nicer looking antenna. Everything looks really small and generic right now. Uninspired feeling spots. Everywhere. Half of all of their genes are just really generic looking circles. Koi, while interesting and all.. doesn't resemble an actual koi, and i'm really hard pressed to find non-wing genes that I actually like due to how much they all just look like the same old circles, over and over again. The subject of symmetry in insects has already been covered, but the sheer number of more spots genes this time is kind of crazy. Glow Dust is still pretty much impossible to see now. I don't know if Krin actually had them tinker with it a second time, but it didn't really help if so. The site is going to be white only for the foreseeable near future, and you just plain cannot see this mutation. I've tried different color combinations with it, and nothing seems to help. I think the double accent colors is a nice addition for the future, but I don't really feel like they were used very logically on the Lunes. Color 3 for instance, doesn't seem to do anything other than change the colors of the little floating moons? While Accent Colors control a massive portion of what color genes and mutations are. This seems kind of.. backwards.. to me. Shouldn't an 'Accent' color be controlling something small floating above a creatures head, instead of the majority of their gene colors? I do appreciate that the Ladybug Wing spots (which I know are being looked at for symmetry already) sit atop of the gene, so they retain their own feel to them. I feel like the Avatar wings kind of lost their feel of being their own thing when they lost their spots, as someone mentioned earlier in the thread. I kind of feel like this is the problem that the head slot has, where nothing really feels unique enough to itself from each other.

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Well, to be honest I like the older lunes better than the new ones.
They have never been my favorite species, although, I enjoyed catching wild branch winged, garland and and different kinds of pretty lunes that caught my eye.

Now, I don't really like either of those traits which I loved on them.

The branch wings have more buds and flowers on them, which is a great thing since the old ones didn't have as many flower buds as the new ones have. However, they have less glow effect then they originally had. Although I do appreciate that they at least have some glow in them.(Yes I know I requested glow, Krin, but its just not enough glow compared to the old ones) So it looks less...enchanting? :/
We can't really see the glow effect when we make the image smaller :/c
(old images are used from Amarok's Lunemara Archive)


Garland looks nothing like a scarf-like fluff wrap they originally looked like. I know they are supposed to look flowerleafy but this drastic change is just not what I would have expected :/


Ladybug wings changed a lot, and I am not really fond of how they look now.
First of all, they lost their dome-look shell of ladybug wings are. If I were to describe it...its just "What the heck happened there." is all I could say. Maybe its because they lost the dome-like shell, but the wings seem a bit too large to me.


The Antennas. I do like the idea of this and it was quite interesting...until I saw them up close. As Zelly has mentioned, they have bald heads without the floofy kind of antennas.


Aside from the traits, their curly nose and bottom curl just doesn't look right. They look more like bees than moths. Their arms look like human arms with a fuzzy coat on them. The other parts, such as the head, like Zelly pointed out, and the body, have no visual fluff. The shading doesn't make them look like they have fur. Overall they're just...bee humanoids.

Oh very fun colors :D

Hope you don't mind if I interject a little bit

The glow on the branches---compared to now..if you stuck more of the glow on them, I'd think you wouldn't be able to see any of the current detail as they are now on the flower part of the branches There also may be too many flowers, and branches so close together
Perhaps a little glow that would be behind instead of with the flowers? As you placed the two pics together, the one on the left, looks like they had really over did it with the glow, and the one on the right barely looks like there is a glow at all...so maybe a tad bit of glow would be nice.


I agree about the ladybug wings, I do think the dome aspect, (curvyness) should be a bit more visible.

The garland however, I think is perfect. I didn't like it before because it was always Christmas-ie to me. And rather bland. I don't tend to celebrate Christmas all year, and that is a big reason I was turned off from having any lunes with Garland to it. They managed to fluff it up better, and go more around the body...but...at the same time, I think maybe there are too many flowers close together, adding to the "clutter" that has been mentioned.

So, spacing out the flowers on the garland and not so many, it might look better.



Also, from my own PoV, Floral in G3


Looking at it from a distance, its off, somethings not quite right. Just on the top part of the wings, bottom looks okay. Someone mentioned it isn't symmetrical.

Re the list of proposed Theme changes--

I spent a lot of time staring at the Anthias palette when I was breeding for the first 6 Vis, and IMO the new palette is decidedly superior to the old one.

The new Autumn Night palette has, to me, a washed-out look, and it has become mostly "autumn" and very little "night." I think the old palette is more vibrant and is better balanced between the autumn colors and the night colors.

The new Blazing Fireworks seems to blaze just a bit more than that Theme did before. Thumbs up.

I like the little changes in Bottled Moonlight's Eye Color and AC2, but I'm not sure about switching the G1 color from pale gold to blue. Perhaps consider keeping the G1 color as it is but increasing the saturation of the AC color (and shifting it a bit into the red):


The new Candlelit looks good overall, but may be just a bit too orange. Perhaps your could really desaturate the M2 color to restore balance.
This instead of this

To me, the new Canna Annjee seems just a bit too crimson, though I definitely like the new M1 and M3 colors.

For the Early Bloom, I like the subtle changes, but turning the G1 color from pink to yellow makes some G1 traits hard to see.

New Fairy Lights looks nice with more gold and less red, but instead of switching AC1 from red to gold, how about switching M2 from red to gold?
From this to this
Heck, maybe even switch both AC1 and M2 to gold.

More later, I hope.

Link: https://www.sylestia.com/forums/?thread=49886&page=7#68 Author: Zelly Time Posted: 8/14/2017 at 9:00 PM Well, it is no secret that I am really not a fan of this revamp. It is honestly ultra disappointing to me, as a collector. I am at this point considering continuing my collection of Ladybug Winged Lunes based more on the work that has gone into having a full set, and less out of actually enjoying the species anymore. However, I was encouraged by the admin to put my feedback up, so, yeah. We are still stuck with these curly noses, but there doesn't seem to be a willingness to budge on those since they were called out as unpopular over and over again before. Bases that look excessively thick in girth instead of fluffy thanks to straight inking the bottom sections, and making them quuite plump to boot. The above only goes to exacerbate when these thick creatures, with a great deal of face fluff suddenly come to an end with a slick, bald looking head. That wouldn't matter much, were it not for the fact that an entire mutation slot has been dedicated to removing the fluffy antenna and replacing them with much sparcer ones, showing more of the bald looking head. I really don't find this appealing at all, to have them look like little fat bald men. I feel some consistency to show they're still fluffy on top of their heads would have helped a lot here. As is, I really don't want to use that slot. I don't find much appeal with many of the things that are in it to begin with right now. I really hope we can see something a bit more creative going in this slot, or at least some bigger, nicer looking antenna. Everything looks really small and generic right now. Uninspired feeling spots. Everywhere. Half of all of their genes are just really generic looking circles. Koi, while interesting and all.. doesn't resemble an actual koi, and i'm really hard pressed to find non-wing genes that I actually like due to how much they all just look like the same old circles, over and over again. The subject of symmetry in insects has already been covered, but the sheer number of more spots genes this time is kind of crazy. Glow Dust is still pretty much impossible to see now. I don't know if Krin actually had them tinker with it a second time, but it didn't really help if so. The site is going to be white only for the foreseeable near future, and you just plain cannot see this mutation. I've tried different color combinations with it, and nothing seems to help. I think the double accent colors is a nice addition for the future, but I don't really feel like they were used very logically on the Lunes. Color 3 for instance, doesn't seem to do anything other than change the colors of the little floating moons? While Accent Colors control a massive portion of what color genes and mutations are. This seems kind of.. backwards.. to me. Shouldn't an 'Accent' color be controlling something small floating above a creatures head, instead of the majority of their gene colors? I do appreciate that the Ladybug Wing spots (which I know are being looked at for symmetry already) sit atop of the gene, so they retain their own feel to them. I feel like the Avatar wings kind of lost their feel of being their own thing when they lost their spots, as someone mentioned earlier in the thread. I kind of feel like this is the problem that the head slot has, where nothing really feels unique enough to itself from each other.

I have to agree - I really liked the moths before, but now they're more... goofy alien than cute fluffpillars. ^^;

I wish I'd been around more to comment on the lines before the revamp, since the lunes were my favorite species. I know the new art is probably set in stone, pretty much, but compared to the older version, the new lunes actually look lower quality to me. Between the curled noses and the bald head, they feel a lot more cartoony compared to the rest of the pets. The thick curl at the bottom looks stiff instead of the delicate little curl the female lunes used to have, and the shading.. while detailed, there's just so much of it that it looks almost like a different style when looking at lunes sitting next to other pets in a stable. It makes the new lunes look a little busy, even without markings. Also, the chunky shading on the wings makes them seem thick and heavy rather than delicate insect wings. I definitely preferred the old lune wings, with the more subtle, smoother shading. Maybe a suggestion might be to change the opacity of the shading layer, especially on the wings.

I don't know if it's intentional, but I noticed compared to other recently revamped pets, the lines on the lunes are a lot thicker and stiffer, as if the other revamps had been drawn at a higher resolution and then shrunk down? That might account for why the lunes, to me at least, feel lower quality artwise in comparison to, say, the kelpari or puffadores. The line weight on those pets varies much more it seems, and is thinner and more flowing, and a lot less stiff. It might be something to keep in mind for future revamps, since it is noticeable (at least to me) when looking at different pets in a stable. I really prefer the more realistic/detailed look of the puffadores and other recent revamps to the more cartoony look of the lunes.

Thoughts:

I find some of the lune antennae makes the head look sparse: the dragonfly and ladybug especially.

Avatar wings just doesn't feel like avatar wings without the spots.

Some of the wings I find are solid without wing genes, such as the mutation-less, avatar, dragonfly, cosmic moth and forest spirit wings. In my opinion they can do with some colour fading to make them less solid.

I couldn't make myself like the new ladybug body gene, it is too different from the old one, and I am not a fan of solid spots.

Definitely like the new G2 genes. Also love how floofy the floof is!

I like how sparkly the generic wings are. However it makes it look like the glow dust have less of an effect.

I also adore the new dragonfly wing shape!

Regarding the themed colors:

Personally I'd prefer the current versions of the Festive and Fairy Lights lunes. But the rest of them, I think, either look good either way or look better on the right ^.^