wow, their awesome! i love them so much!

Link: https://www.sylestia.com/forums/?thread=22276&page=7#63 Author: Cloudsoda Time Posted: 2/7/2015 at 12:31 AM GUESS WHO? That's right. Alright, starting from left to right, clockwise: Zolnixis are definitely foxes, according to the majority of the folks on here. Clearly not wolves, as those are more like Luporas. So I made the adult male have a longer snout, skinnier limbs, and smaller ears. Actually, everyone got smaller ears because they weren't that big on the originals, and on the new ones, honestly, they're way too gigantic. It's fine on the pups, but not on the adults. Male got a bigger smile, too. Also watch it with those paws-- they all need to be aligned on the same plane. Unless he's doing an action pose or is on uneven ground, which he doesn't seem to be. Now, the female, unlike the male, is much more groomed and ladylike. In fact, she feels like the most glamorous pet on the whole site, to me. So she should have less fluff and much more smooth, primped fur. Hence, I made her tail way less poofy-- but I left that top bit because it reminds me of an ink brush and that's cool. |D Also fixed the angle on that back leg because she's clearly moving, so the knee shouldn't be curled forward while the rest of the leg is moving back (that just don't make sense). Also fixed her ears too, because they were too far forward on the head and kind of crowded the face area. Also longer snout, smaller nose compared to male, fixed her smile and eyes so it's kind of more alluring and "come hither". Female pup, fixed the ears. That back one should be going back in space, like it's folded back, rather than standing straight up like it's a flat, cardboard object. It's like the Sylvorpa babies. Trimmed her body, too, as it made her look more like a tiny adult. Puppies have big heads and paws, and small bodies. And the tails should be shorter too, look at nature. Most dogs and wild canines have shorter tails as puppies than as adults. And they're a lot less fluffy, too. And since she's the female, she shouldn't have MORE cheek fur than the male, she should have less. Male pup, I like that playful pose, it breaks up the monotony of standing and sitting poses. I tilted his ears because, hey, he's a playful pup! He's supposed to look like you captured a single frame of him while he was running around, so he should be all loose and carefree. Also fixed his limbs and tail. As for the eyes, seriously, those are kind of... creepy. xD; You could try making him winking, or maybe have him blinking, or change the angle or something. Also, that snout. I know what was trying to happen with the mouth line disappearing behind the snout so as to create the illusion that it's going back behind it, but you don't need to do that. Remember, he's a puppy. He can be drawn simply. In fact, less lines = more cute. It's true. That about wraps up this week's lecture. |D;; *punched* However, I do have one more word of advice. And seriously, think about this one, because I've seen it SO much and it's completely unnecessary. Obviously, these guys are gonna be shaded and have value and color thrown on them. In that case, you see those little lines on there, like the shoulder marks on the adult female, or the fluffy fur lines inside the tail on both adults? And those (admittedly annoying) chest fur lines? Get rid of them. "BLASPHEMY!" you say. WRONG, I sez. Listen, the only reason you'd need those lines is if you're either A: going to render the rest of the shading and stuff with lines, or B: you weren't going to color and shade it at all. You really, really don't need them. All they do is denote useless information. Like those fur lines inside the tail. It's like telling me that that super fluffy tail is super fluffy. NO KIDDIN'?! Or those shoulder lines. They look like little sketch marks that weren't cleaned up, and they don't tell me anything. I know that it has a shoulder, I can tell because I see it right there attached to the leg. As for the chest lines, unless they're dead center in the middle of the chest, the illusion won't work. And you don't need them; we get that the animal is fluffy. In fact, if it's so freaking furry and fluffy, how can we even see that line in the first place? SO THERE. >:V

I mean no disrespect since before I directly spoke to krin about anything it was you who was there to help me and i've come to respect both of you equally.

BUT, i humbly request that you only, by small margin, consider the possibility of implementing the following changes on the revamp suggested by Cloud

Since hatchlings always will grow old i have no problem with their style but in adult versions i think these changes are more helpful than not..

FEMALE VERSION
1# The side of the tail, i dont exactly think the hair lines or making it more groomed or less groomed affect anything, as a simple viewer though, i definitely agree that a smaller tail would make her look more girly and lovely, you can use YOUR design but lowered in size to that Cloud's proportion.

#2 Not a huge distraction but in the left back leg i believe the design on Cloud's makes her look somewhat better, bu again with colors and mutations it might not even matter at all

#3 And as others have said, the shorter ears do makes her look more girly too

My only gripe with the female version is to have her looks indeed more girly and female than she looks now, i know its a pet for God's sake lol she can look like a GIRL but you know what i mean, detailing more that flirting zolnixi position to the max haha

MALE VERSION

#1 My only comment on them is that i always believed in first versions and revamps of all and each pet that you could at least turn their faces to the front a tiny little bit so that their face look like its actually looking a bit to the front ((like trying to look at the player))
Some pets that i believe that could benefit from it are the zolnixi revamp and also lupora, female griffi, both kelpari, female pudaffore, female morkko and female aurleon etc etc etc, maybe thats just a personal belief but that only reason makes me concentrate on having my projects done on females and only use males because i need them to breed ^_^, i love male ryori and ny'vene positions, THATS in my humble opinion is a well designed male position, manly and imposing while the girls then should me flirty and lovely hehe

hope you consider any of the ideas, i'd love it very much since i also love this game very much

Are you guys doing any mutations on them too? I have a male with wings. That's why I'm asking.

I think I'd prefer it if the female was able to look at her mate, instead of over her shoulder. Speaking of revamps, when are you going to revamp the female avatar so that it doesn't look like one leg is crippled. Girls don't actually stand like that, you know. The female avatar most closely resembles a victim of polio.

Disagree. I like the way they have it except the position of the head of the female...looking backward like that just doesn't look natural...but otherwise the body, tail and fluff is fine.

I love them! Thanks guys!

But they are pretty wolf-like.

Any chance they can be a little more fox-ish?

Also: something i noticed, there tail of the boy pup and the girl pup appear to be different lengths. With the girl's being much shorter and the boy's very long and luxurious. Haha, I dont feel you should go one way or another as long as the two are more similar.

Hope you don't mind my imput :)

the young ones are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO CUTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

these are amazing!

(Hope you guy's don't mind that I pinged all 3 of you.)

First, for the 2 artist (Cloudsoda and Mochaspar): I pinged you two since it is your guy's artwork that is being talked about and i think you guy's deserve to read what people write.

I want to say that i like what Mochaspar did with the male hatchling and i don't think anything should be changed about it. However i did like what Cloudsoda did with the female adult and hatchling. It looked like Cloudsoda fixed a balancing issue with the adult female with the way the front feet were positioned. I also liked the way that Cloud gave the adult female a more "Come-hither" look. This makes the female fit the Zolnixi profile a bit better. The Profile states that "But due to their tricksy tendencies, owners must always keep an eye on their provisions." So this "Come-hither" look makes the female more vixen like and based off my knowledge when it comes to mythical creatures about vixens; vixens are known to use seduction as a form of trickery. Now for the female hatchling i do like Cloudsoda's form a bit better in regards to the placement of the ears making her look like she's listening or intrigued by something and giving it more of a feminine shape, however i do like Mochaspar's tail a bit better on the female hatchling.

Now i do have to point out that i am not a fan of the adult male on either one, he looks too wolf - like to me. I also do not like the way the male is facing away from the user (this is of course my opinion). I did read that some users were talking about the smile on the adult male and that it should look more like a mischievous smirk. I do agree with them, however, i think that is also an easy fix, it looks like to me that you won't have to change the smile but if you tilt the head so that it looks like he's looking at the user then it would give him that mischievous smirk (however since i'm not an artist myself i can also understand that just tilting the head may not give him that mischievous smirk, i will leave that up to you guy's on how to fix that).


@Faiona:

I pinged you not because of the redraw but because of a comment you made in posting when talking to Cloudsoda.

Your comment was this:

"A lot of these points that you bring up are stylistic choices. The Zolnixi have never been something that is suppose to be a straight copy of a fox. Their originals don't look like pure foxes and these don't either. And it is intended to be that way, they are Zolnixi not foxes."


As a user i want to say that this comment hurt, and sounded like an attack against all user's that thought that the Zolnixi were a fox like creature. The reason i said this sounded like an attack is because besides Cloudsoda, there were other users that posted the exact same thing about giving the Zolnixi's more of a fox like shape, and you are telling us, as users, that our view about them is wrong.

I love foxes and even part of my username is based of a mythical creature (a fox demon). My first pet on here was a Zolnixi and i got her because she looked like a fox. So to me as a user, the originals did look like pure foxes when they didn't have any mutations or genes, and only when genes and mutations are put on do they look more like a fantasy creature.


Now, what i did state above is how i interpreted your comment, if however i did misinterpreted your comment then i apologize in advance.

Jushirio: Wings are a mutation. In revamps or other pets, all of the previously-existing genes and mutations have remained. So yes, I highly doubt they would remove any of them, especially since people spend real money to generate some pets. This is just the basic lineart for the base, without any genes or mutations added.

Feedback on the nixis: There was one point in Cloud's post that I do think is important, and I think that's the female's tail (which I noticed before but I couldn't tell why). Not because it looks ungroomed--I prefer fluffy, actually--but it just looks a bit too heavy, I guess? I feel like a little bit of trimming down would go a long way. I think it's because, near the tip of the tail, it gets really bulky, while the male's slims down. Different sort of shape. Here's an example of what I mean:



It's not like the tail wouldn't work on the female, because it's not awful or anything. It just feels a bit odd.

I like the little chest fluffs though, especially on the male. And, contrary to Cloud's suggestions, I do like the way you've drawn the legs on the female; they look natural.