If you like I could make a note-to-self and let you know when I get the nixi's cleared! That way if you're still interested at the time, we can get those nixis made with fully maxed, 200 mana beauties!

(Likely 200 mana superstats, since I plan on working towards more of those as well ;) )

Yes please ^-^ btw how hard is it to get mana up? I am working on my own max-stat project ~ it's my first one with the demonstalker theme

That all depends on where you are for the project.

If you're just starting with basic pets, mana should be at or close to max with just prismatic philters, easy as that.

It's the "this project was finished BEFORE raising mana with philters was possible" that are set back extremely far and turn into tedious "I need 5-10 more months be finished again and will cost you a fortune! :D" projects x__x;

I can't say I've ever been lucky enough to start a project with the beefed up exclusive/restricted themes, but their stats are definitely stacked in everything but mana, it seems. Based on your project stock...

Best pet:
1800s
140 mana
100s

Lovely stats on that one. 1 more generation of prisma on the right RNG-statted egg and your mana would be sitting at 150 on an otherwise-maxed pet.

That's either 5 more generations of prismas (likely 6 given RNG resulting in some mana loss) or 3 generations of mana philters with good RNG and patience.


Basing on your average, though...
1300s
130
90-ish...

Roughly 4 generations of prismas to go for clearing health, mana would then be... 160-ish, and the rest would definitely be 100 by then.

You'll be looking at the 4 generations of prismas up until 2k/100 + 2 generations of mana philters until 2k/100/200
OR
7-8 generations of prismas to reach 2k/100/200


I do recommend clearing your visible traits BEFORE tackling your stats, though. There's nothing worse than throwing a philter on a pet only to get a no-trait result with exceptional stats. You'll be constantly debilitating the traits in the genepool if you try to use them, or wasting prismatic philters if you're trying to focus on the traits.

Visibles first means you take that part of the RNG out of the equation, and can focus entirely on keeping your best stats rather than trying to balance both.

Here's my pair that I'm breeding for the first 4-vis
https://www.sylestia.com/view/pets/?petid=5544021 https://www.sylestia.com/view/pets/?petid=55320561

- Would 12 prismas last me the whole project?

12 should do if you get your visibles done first and then start to apply philters on offspring that you know will always be 4V.

Your project stock is kind of a scattered mess at the moment? ^^; I'm so used to my method that I'm having a hard time following yours.

When it comes to males, I recommend minimizing the number you keep. A male can't give you another egg, so you may as well limit yourself to only the best of the best and boot the rest. A 2V1C will only ever be able to pass on 3 traits at its very best; you're better off with a 4-carry since it has potential to pass on all 4. Even a 4C demonstalker bred to another 4C has a chance of giving you a 4V. 2v1C's chance of that is a whopping 0% since it will always miss that last trait. By getting rid of the lesser males you won't be tempted to breed them at all, and thus you won't be wasting your time on breedings that will lead your project in circles (3-traits breeding more and more 3-traits) rather than having a straight progress trajectory. (4-traits bred to anything will give you a chance of 4-trait; offspring results that aren't 4-trait? boot the offspring and try again.)


Currently you'd be best off keeping only these 3 males for breeding:

https://www.sylestia.com/view/pets/?petid=5544021
https://www.sylestia.com/view/pets/?petid=5490382
https://www.sylestia.com/view/pets/?petid=5480817

All 3 are 4-traits with decent stats, and they'll give you the generation gap to continue breeding.



As for the pair combination you linked, those two are actually half-siblings who share the same father; they won't be able to breed. (I'm assuming there was an added 1 at the end of the second link and you meant to link this one: https://www.sylestia.com/view/pets/?petid=5532056 )


What I do recommend, though, is that you take the 3V1C male and breed him to literally every last female you have in stock that he's able to be bred to. He's definitely your top stud current standing. Anything he can't breed to, use the 4-carry male (5480817)

The other (5490382) is the father of your top stud (5544021), so any offspring from (5490382) won't be breedable to (5544021) Offspring from (5480817), however, will be breedable to (5544021) which will give you better chances to close in on that 4V goal.


Any offspring you get from here-on that are below 4-trait, you may as well throw out. They'll just add to the pile of 3-trait and below and keep your project growth stunted.

As for females, for now even the lesser females will be useful. Female = egg so the more females you have, the more chances you have to get more 4-traits. Breed until you have around 20 4-trait females, and then you can boot the 3-trait and below females. (But don't do it yet, you only have 9 4-trait females and most of those aren't grown yet. The goal now is to get more 4-traits, and as long as you're breeding with 4-trait males all eggs will have a chance to give you another 4-trait.)
* maybe keep this one a little longer, or at least until you get a 4-trait offspring with health like hers; her stats are nice
https://www.sylestia.com/view/pets/?petid=5503070


Once you have your 4-vis, I'd estimate they'll be around 1300/130/90 - 1400/140/100, perhaps 1600/140/100 or so if you get a good 4-trait male offspring from 5503070.

If you use those remaining 12 prismas sparingly by only philtering 1-2 offspring that have the best possible stats of the project and carefully maintaining the breedability gap, then it should be enough.

As for how to calculate what would be your best possible result, you'll have to consider your highest stats available as well as your average.

If you have, say, 10 breeders at 1600 health, then there's literally no point adding a philter to a 1400's egg. All that philter will do is get you MORE pets at 1600 health, which you already have plenty of. Wait for a 1550+ egg instead; that way you can philter the egg for 1750+ and thus, get some real progress for your project.



Edit:
If you want to keep track of this information dump to make use of later, here's the link to this forum post

https://www.sylestia.com/forums/?thread=46125&page=97#965

You can paste that link on your profile and it will take you right back here in the future :D

Thank you!! I, hopefully, will be able to breed with my 1c3v male soon, I am also running out of stable space so my organization is trash.

Hi! Here's my crazy bulk order which I may or may not be able to afford XD

Male Winter Wonderland aeri with feathered wings and frost runes (if that's not too much trouble)
https://www.sylestia.com/view/pets/?petid=4954885 super stat rikki 1
https://www.sylestia.com/view/pets/?petid=5337279 super stat rikki 2
A super stat lupe team:
Female Blazehowl Draggo lupe (so dragon scales instead of mechanical armor)
Female Bloodhowl lupe
Female Kabuki Okami lupe

If I can afford more, I'd also be interested in these max stats:
Male Lunar Dream aeri w/ the leaf wing & monarch combo (I really don't care for the lunar traits, I just like the color)
Male Earthy aeri
Male Iris Bloom aeri
1 more super stat rikki (once I find one I like) to complete my rikki team

I'd also be interested in a Raspberry Cream ryori when you're done with those :)

So...how much would all that be? Let's see how many I can actually afford. Why are they all so pretty?? >.<
And how much do you value these items:
greater pet dyes
lesser pet dyes
magical pies
prism philters
genderswappers
philter of amnesias
Lucky dust trait disruptor
Lovely mutators
art

I also have two non-tradeable philter of manas. I know you don't like letting go of your max stat eggies, but I'm probably never going to use these. Your choice though. :)

I do have one female bloodhowl lupe available:
https://www.sylestia.com/view/pets/?petid=4670619
And one male of Ebonyflicker's Iris Bloom Aeri
https://www.sylestia.com/view/pets/?petid=5497363

Let me know if they're to your liking :D


For the Lunar Dreamer Aeri, they do not have Monarch as a trait? I have Tips and Lunar Spots (Lunar Spots + Leaf Wings look like this)

I can go ahead and try breeding you the right result for the Winter Wonderland Aeri, but I will warn you that they have been the least cooperative of my project pairs EVER. Any time I have a specific request on those it takes months to complete; I still have this one from back in January to fulfill ;__;
https://www.sylestia.com/forums/?thread=46125&page=91#910

I can try. But for a project that only has TWO trait slots that have TWO options each, these are the worst pets EVER! >__< *shakes fist at the uncooperative jerks*


I'm assuming "Male Earthy" Aeri is WavyPavy's Earth Aeridini?



And now to do math, whoo!


For sake of ease and discounts since this is a boatload of pets...
nonsupers: 4 Aeri - for sake of ease and discount... 150k each (600k total)
Supers: 3 Lupes and a Rikki - for sake of ease and discount... 450k each (1.8 mil)

Total: 2.4 mil


Item values:
greater pet dyes: 125k each
lesser pet dyes: 75k each
magical pies: 60k each
prism philters: 100k each
genderswappers: 200k each
philter of amnesia: 50k each
Lucky dust trait disruptor: 300k each

Lovely mutators: Ehhh, I have enough already that I can't use since it's rare that I have tamed pets for projects .__.

art: >.> Hard to pin an actual value on; details would have to be negotiated since value would vary based on sketch vs lineart vs color vs shading and size and scale and detail and all the rest of that. ^^; I wouldn't want to say "500k" and get a stick figure worth maybe a gold or some masterful fully colored and shaded glorious work complete with background and all else that would surely be worth well over 500k XD


As for why they're all so pretty... I've spent more on pet dyes than I have prismatic philters, likely by about 5x or 10x the amount. >__>;

The bloodhowl lupe and iris bloom aeri are perfect :)

So the traits on the Lunar Dream aeri male shown in here aren't a possible combo?
Darn, it looked so cool
Could I instead order a Male tropical sunset aeri with floral henna? That shouldn't change the pricing, right?

I don't mind waiting for the winter wonderland :)

Yes, Wavypavy's Earth aeri :)

I just realized that all my philters of amnesia are non-tradeable. Are you still interested in those? Cuz I want to get rid of them lol :)

I believe there are 2 super rikkis (I wanted one more but I couldn't find a design I liked so I'll probably come back later)
So that will be 600k + 1.8M + 450k = 2.85M?

Ok, now for my messy jumble of payment:
1x Lucky trait disruptor 300k * 1 = 300k
2x magical pies 60k * 2 = 120k
2x prism philters 100k * 2 = 200k
23x lesser pet dyes 75k * 23 = 1725k

300k + 120k + 200k + 1725k = 2345k
2850k - 2345k = 505k

Would you like me to draw something for you first and then we can agree on a price after I'm done? I imagine it'll be worth less than 505k and I can make up the difference with gold or more pet dyes.

I have a couple of personal projects that I'm working on right now and my mom's birthday is this Saturday so I'm also working on something for her, but I should be able to get some drawing in sometime before next Monday. I can also show you sketches and such along the way.

o_o; I definitely need to fix the displays for those. Must have been traits I unintentionally lost in the gene pool... Sadly that happens a lot when I'm juggling dozens of projects @__@;

*digs around for a moment*

Found one I can reclaim to get back the Monarch trait but it will take me a couple of generations to get the Leaf Wings and the Monarch combined. (Leaf Wings is on female; Monarch is on female. Can't breed them together so I'll have to get a male offspring from one first)


Right, forgot about the second currently unknown Rikki, sorry about that! (Been a crazy busy morning @_@)


I don't mind waiting a bit for the artwork, actually; I have a new bunch of D&D characters to get a concept idea for but there's been too much to do and no time for me to get that down. It'll give you time to work on your own art stuff, give me time to get the general idea for my characters, and it'll give me time to actually breed some of these pets :D