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Posted: 6/20/2017 at 1:44 PM |
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Yeah, I have used Pinterest before, and I do have an account, but personally I just don't really like the site much. Though I suppose I could try that - I only really used Pinterest because my art teacher told the entire class to make an account for artist research (and for that, Pinterest really isn't good), but yeah, I never really considered it for other things like that. I do use other sources, mostly YouTube, and sometimes I deliberately read bad fan-fiction to understand why it's bad and avoid doing the same thing (and also because I find some bad fan-fiction very amusing).
As for reading, I generally tend to avoid romance books, mostly because at this point romance in every book seems to be the same 'copy paste love triangle with a Mary Sue/ Gary Sue in the middle'. Not to say that there aren't good ones out there - I recently read a story on Wattpad called 'Pharaoh's Bride', and I absolutely love it - but they're so rare that unfortunately I struggle to find them. Though if I was to read some, do you have any recommendations?
It's slow burn, definitely. The two characters that my friend was getting annoyed over are not actually meant to be a couple - they are established as good friends, and one of them expresses (in his thoughts rather than out loud) his concerns of what bringing romance to their relationship would do (amongst other things). The characters don't know each other - in fact, they begin as enemies, as one of them is human and the other is a basically the equivalent of a genderless elf (this creates plenty of conflict, not just because of incompatible anatomy, but also because of what the humans have done to these elves in the past).
I'm still debating over whether I should go down the really tragic route and actually let the two introduced characters at the start be a couple for a short time... I'm really not sure if I want to do that though, I need to see whether it actually works from a narrative standpoint, and if I really want to be that horrible. Though it could create some tension and a lot of sadness, I think that one of them has already established his view on it and probably wouldn't change it.
I just read them, they're quite interesting. Though I'm not sure they're really that separate from what I already know what to do, or things that I generally do with ordinary character relationships, but thanks for suggesting them anyway.
My problem is who to kill lol. I usually knock off characters left right and centre in the most gruesome ways possible when I write, so including boatloads of death is basically a feature of every one of my stories. Actually... actually, that's given me a really good idea. Something along the lines of betrayal sounds nice. A betrayal that leads the humans amongst the elves, perhaps? Now that sounds like a bloodbath.
Yeah, unfortunately I'm not very far into writing it, so I think only about 3 characters have been properly introduced yet. Though with where the plot is going, I will probably be able to add plenty more friends and enemies of the main character (most of which will probably go on the 'you're going to have something terrible happen to you' list). I don't really have a very clear villain, however I don't really think a villain is 100% necessary because I'll have plenty of anti-heroes, and the romance itself is the basis for most of the conflict anyway. And having a romantic rival is cliche, I want to avoid the love triangle lol.
I think the main problem that I have with the romance genre is that it's just a huge minefield of cliche, and avoiding as many as possible is going to be really awkward. Though I suppose in the cases of the more vague cliches, it shouldn't be too much of an issue provided that the characters and plot are interesting enough.
Thanks for the advice, yes, it was helpful. I think though before I continue asking questions about this I need to write some more though, because this story is hardly planned in the slightest (I never really plan anyway, I just sort of write and maybe have a few goals as to where the characters need to be, but everything else in between is whatever happens to come to mind). |
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Posted: 6/20/2017 at 5:46 PM |
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I don't read a lot of romance(and when I do it's cringingly cliche) but have been fortunate enough to find action fictions that involve a close bond between the characters that could be called romantic(if you squint), if you want suggestions would fanfiction be all right?(every book I own now that I think about it doesn't involve a lot of romance at all)
(and wow I'm now realizing anytime I do see anything romantic is usually tragic or just super cliche..)
I personally wrote my story off the idea of killing the main POV by the end(which has changed after a year of writing it and people that I've had read it over not wanting that, which so far has made their fate even worse but at least they get to live atm)
So part of the conflict will be the opposing groups? (also do you need to kill anyone?)
Will the conflict between their races be a sort of racism or have things happened recently between them for them to fight? Are their others(not just a small group) who don't hate one side for the other?
Something I like to do is to try to write the ending and scenes I want to include in the middle, a lot probably won't stay permanent as you continue writing but it gives a nice idea of where to go(create little gems, visualize a necklace with a pretty bead every few inches along, these points will be more powerful when not crowded like a string covered completely with beads, add little things that your story will be known for)
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Posted: 6/21/2017 at 8:44 AM |
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Yeah, I definitely think that implied romance tends to be better written than actual romance. Not that romance can't be good, it just takes a very specific writer to be able to make it convincing, and unfortunately there aren't many out there. And yeah, sure, I don't mind fan-fiction, even if I know nothing about the subject lol. Though a good fan-fiction should usually give the reader a small hint about the world, regardless of if they know anything about the world or not to begin with.
It's so true. Ever since I started learning about romantic cliches (Terrible Writing Advice was probably the one that really woke me up about it all lol), I see them literally everywhere. It's the same really for any genre though, but that's not to say that cliches can't be used to a certain extent.
Personally, I would say kill them off if they aren't relevant to anything beyond your story. Your ending doesn't need to satisfy the readers necessarily, especially if it's meant to be a terrible ending. For example, my longest story is going to end (when I finally edit all 40 pages before I continue writing... I'm not even half way through the entire thing 0-0) with the main character getting shot (it's not implied whether he survives or not). But it has a point - throughout, I've included subtle social commentary, and this particular character is framed for murder, but cannot get justice as he does not have the money to afford a lawyer, and also there may or may not be some bribing involved from the government (I won't go into detail as to why, it's along the lines of 'something something secret project might get revealed something').
Mostly, yes. As for killing people, well, yes - basically, these elves are very detached from the rest of the world, but their magic-imbued weapons are often sought after. They don't, however, want to trade them, so the humans keep stealing them from them. So people will die, because some humans will be caught doing this - I don't really just want tot mention that it's a thing and then not show that it happens. It isn't really a race thing, it's just the elves really don't appreciate forced interaction with others.
The thing is, the humans don't hate the elves, the elves only hate the humans (generally speaking). Though within the groups, as you said, there are definitely those that oppose their own sides - there are humans that hate the idea of stealing from the elves and want to respect their wishes and leave them in peace, as are there humans who want to enslave the elves; there are elves who want to open up trade routes, or, the other extreme, completely purge the human race. But the important thing is that the monarchy (of which the main elf character is a part of) is opposed to letting humans in, and advocates killing any that come in regardless of their purpose, however do not want to deliberately go out of their way to kill the human race. And with the main elf character falling for a human... not only does this go against one of his fathers' wishes to have children (since he is the last surviving heir), it also goes against everything his family have been saying for the last few hundred years.
Hmm, I tend to just think about the scenes and make notes about them instead. If I tried to write them that way, I don't think it would flow as well, hence why I prefer to write entirely chronologically. Also, doing it in order means that if I have any ideas that I want to throw in, it tends to be easier to implement them, as I'm only checking against notes if that can happen. And since they're notes, they can be much more easily edited than full paragraphs.
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Posted: 6/21/2017 at 6:41 PM |
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I'm now realizing how hard it is to find something without a cliche to it.. tbh the story I had in mind of showing probably doesn't even count as romance but it's very unique even if
Maybe something you could try with the romance is having it surprise you(and wow that's so helpful i'm sorry) Also could be seen as just a rarely used cliche(I've had this reply up for hours and thought about Enchanted a few times)
Wow wording, um.. okay so cliches are expected, so maybe make it look like you're going in that direction then be like psych yall got bamboozled(for example, I did something like this for my own story but since it isn't romance it went more like I started my story going 6 chapters making it look like a very friendly story that you'd "read around a fireplace sipping hot chocolate" as someone said before I read the next chapter that went and introduced my "hey you know that character you're all slowly growing attached to? Yeah about that" and then the story wasn't about children learning about the world and pretty magic anymore but being forced into the world)
(don't follow what I did//your story doesn't sound like it would benefit from making it look cutesy from what you've said about it)
Originally the point of the whole story was for them to die in the end, I was gonna make the story look as if they were the protagonist and that they were meant to do great things then get killed for something stupid that happened way in the beginning of the story but the plot's changed anyway(also since it was originally planned to be a game, one route will still end in their death but the story if it doesn't adapt towards the game won't have the death part)
It was meant to be an unhappy end and there would be little side chapters every once in awhile with the antagonist POV showing their motives and slow personality change towards the villain they become by the end
Tbh a lot of plot changed when another character became more prevalent to the story so even with the idea of the main POV dying this other character can keep moving the plot forward if really needed since they've become a larger POV than the original main POV(I dunno I really like the idea of the point of view of someone of the side of the whole plot just watching it all happen and trying to avoid it)
Around 80 pages written for it, I write too slow though and they have literally not gone far past the tutorial area(game-wise) that introduces the world and all that so I need to edit a lot
Ah, yeah then that's probably preferable to add in that situation(the deaths)
How did the two meet if you don't mind me asking btw? |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 at 8:43 AM |
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You can still recommend it to me anyway :) I need someone to drag me away from the trainwreck that I'm currently reading... Let's just say an acquaintance of mine with a rather large ego (so she thinks she is a flawless writer) is trying to also write romance...
Hmm, not sure how surprising a romance can possibly be made. Since it does require a build-up. If it was to happen, it would have to be some minor characters suddenly revealing themselves to be in a relationship, or a minor characters having a secret relationship with one of the major ones. I don't really know, a surprise isn't very easy to work into a plot point that takes a while to achieve realistically.
Yeah, definitely. Throwing unexpected things in without warning, or even just completely turning everything on its head is the best way to do it (things can become really interesting if you also have a scenario where the villain and the hero swap places - so it is revealed suddenly that the hero is actually the villain, and has been hiding stuff from even the reader). As for cutesy stuff... yeah, it really isn't my style. At the start it's not cutesy, but I suppose it is quite innocent in a way, with a slight hint of seriousness during one particular scene, but it's purpose at the moment is to present them as a potential very likeable couple, then later to send it all crashing down as things happen, eventually leading it into a much darker story. Especially as taking a relaxing start to make the readers care about the characters and then tearing that to shreds will probably generate plenty of emotion.
I just had a really evil idea for what could happen... I'm just wondering if it's a little too evil... Maybe a particular group of elves don't like the monarchy, they hear a rumour that the elf guy is with a human, and they use that as an excuse to rally support, and eventually try to burn down the castle. This leaves the main elf guy with some probably scarring to remind him of the incident, and the female elf can either die or be horribly disfigured. I'd have to brace myself for a storm of triggering though, because I know that would really anger people... but I'm probably going to do it anyway.
Hmm, I'd be just a bit careful with that. If they aren't supposed to be the protagonists and you spend a lot of time building them up, only to find at that it didn't really matter, then it could just annoy people. If you spend a bit of time with them and use them to establish the world ready for the protagonists, then that would be fine, but I think if you focus too much on characters that aren't as important readers could then think that it was a bit of a waste of time.
I love antagonist POV's! It always helps humanise them a little - quite often with modern fiction, it seems that the villains don't really come off as very human at all - they're just too evil. But having chapters with the villain is definitely a good idea to explain a few questions about why they're doing what they're doing, and let them show a lot more emotion than they might in front of the protagonists/ their subordinates.
Maybe to make things easier with a POV switch like that, the character should be built-up alongside the first character? It depends really on what they're doing, I suppose I don't really know much about what you're writing so you might already be doing this lol. But having someone from the side could give an insight into what bystanders think of the situation - maybe they see the protagonists as too destructive in their quest to defeat the antagonist, or maybe they don't even consider them heroes at all? Either way, it could be used to explore some interesting things, I'd say go ahead with that.
80 pages...? Geez, that's two of my drafts combined, and they usually get about half-way through the story... I can't even imagine writing that much just for a beginning.
Which ones? The human and the elf, or the two elves? If it's the two elves, one of them is the only surviving heir to the throne, the other was a maid who was given to the castle to work by her mother. Rather than write it all out myself, the main character explains it himself perfectly well:
"My memories of it are as clear as day. I must have been five - no, perhaps six - when I heard the noise. A clanging of metal, as if someone was smashing metal together. It frightened me, thinking that an intruder had entered the castle, but I did not tell anyone, and instead decided that I wanted to live up to the knights in the bedtime stories that my father told me.
Someone had left the door open to the armoury, and through the crack I saw her. She had taken a pot and a ladle from the kitchen, and was attempting to train against the straw dummies. The pot covered most of her head, and half-concealed her eyes, so she had to keep adjusting it to see her target. She was wielding the spoon like a sword, but her blows and stance were too weak, so she kept falling over every time she hit the painted area on the dummy's chest.
I chuckled to myself. And then when I came in, I startled her by accident, and she gave me a black eye with that metal ladle of hers. My fathers were not pleased, but I stood up for her. Her antics amused me back then - I wanted to continue to see her do this. So every night, I joined her down in the armoury, and we had contests to see how many times we could jump up and knock the dummies on the heads with our respective utensils."
I'm too lazy to type out the explanation since I've already done it lol.
As for the human and the elf... I really haven't decided yet. I was going to have the elf guy (I should really start referring to them by name, because this is going to get really confusing) be sent on a patrol party to make sure that the area is clear of humans, and he comes across the human woman's raiding party, and... there isn't really much beyond that point. I think it might just be a minor problem that they are sending the heir of the kingdom out there to do that... but maybe the less protective of his parents encourages him to take an active role, as that is what he feels a king should do? |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 at 10:52 AM |
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I'm big on writing more than reading, but in either one, I tend not to like too much drama/romance. A little bit is fine, but a fluffy plot is no plot to me. Personally, I prefer adventure stories. Some fantasy, mostly war-based, apocalyptic, dystopic era things, though. The problem is, most dystopias tend to be very, extremely clich. So, I tend to be picky. I love medieval, as well.
I write in third person limited as opposed to omniscient. I like having several main characters, but one that's the ultimate main, and that's the only one whose thoughts are portrayed in the writing.
I'm currently in the process of writing a book, and have about 55 Word document pages at the moment. About 25k-26k words, I believe. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 at 11:16 AM |
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@Creativity
Hello! :)
Yeah, I agree with you about the whole cliche and dystopia thing. I also love dystopias, but whenever I'm trying any new ones, it's always like "Unrealistic villain with no redeeming qualities... Check!" And as for the romance, it does get on my nerves when they focus more on the love triangle than the people who are literally dropping dead around them lol. Though it is possible to find a few good ones, they're hardly ever the ones that are easiest to find - it's a shame that the ones that tend to be promoted a lot are the ones that don't really use the opportunity to give them deeper meanings, because that to me is what makes a dystopia interesting.
So it's like an 'over-the-shoulder' kind of perspective (I have no idea what to call it)? I personally think those can be quite effective - just as much as first person - since it kind of places you next to the character (if you know what I mean? Words and explanations are really not with me today), and hence is perhaps a bit more engaging than being the character and basically watching from inside that character's mind. And having several main characters is always good - especially as it means that, if you have them with a variety of personality traits, then you can offer different perspectives that the main main character may not see.
Why does everyone on this thread write so much more than me? XD I keep thinking that 49 pages is a lot... Though mine is just over 26k words, so... |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 at 9:19 PM |
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@AtomicBomb354,
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/5929906/1/Possessed while I do recommend this as a good read it's not romance, also it might be a bit confusing to read if you don't know a lot about the actual show
Yeah that's true..
You should do it >:)
I personally love to read stuff like that as long as it didn't feel meaningless to hurt or kill them, what I hate infinitely more is when you kill of a character successfully with a purpose and then revive them making it meaningless(the one time I was fine with this was because the character revived didn't want to be revived and couldn't die anymore but could be hurt), I personally do not believe in the thought was was counted in this situation ):
The two POV's that switch places as the main are actually a connected character ^^
They are both equally important in different ways(the main character is the one able to actually traverse the world, and the 2nd character is a demon attached to them/hence them trying to keep their host safe) and I asked a lot of people what they thought on the idea of the two characters kind of POV's and seems to be okay so far, but I will take more care looking over what I've written now that you mention that to make sure it looks okay
Same :D
It's unfortunate when someone makes a villain like that ):
In another (game)route they end up becoming the hero actually :D
Different events depending on the actions of the main change little things to the side that create different circumstances
I decided to be a horrible person actually though and made the main character's older sibling be the antagonist, though as far as they know the antagonist is chasing down their sibling's killer and goes insane with grief along the way and it was planned for them to not even recognize their sibling when they killed them
It's definitely not a good thing ;v;
I think it's kindove dragging along even if I am trying to make sure every chapter alone is interesting and important, I'm trying too hard to make sure I'm not skipping anything and there are no time skips
Also some of the pages are scenes not even reached yet but places and settings and actions I need to make sure I have written before I forget(and some of them aren't even part of the story, just different routes if I start working on the game ever)
They sound cute, I think you did a good job making them shippable so far :)
Sound's interesting for those two's meet up ^^
As someone who takes an active role of working with his people does that make him liked by them more? Also maybe try to find a way for them to get alone and physically unable to really hurt each other?
@Creativity,
I agree a lot to what you prefer too, also from what you've said you like have you ever heard of the Death Gate Cycle? It's a fantasy series of 7 books with more medieval technology and the main POV is passed around a bit throughout the series though there is specifically one main main character who is actually one of the people trying to take over the world((s)there are four worlds)
That's really cool ^^
Best of luck finishing your story :) |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 at 9:09 AM |
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Oh, ok. I know almost nothing about Invader Zim, but I have a vague idea, and judging by the opening I should be fine lol. I had no childhood XD At least, nothing that hasn't been ruined.
I don't know, I think it could work, just in a different scenario where it actually matters, and causes conflict. But I feel that since I've established a very large source of conflict, trying to shove in another one just doesn't make much sense in terms of plot. Though say I was to write a story where two characters being together is vital to the story, and then one of them reveals something about their relationship (or perhaps the non-existence of said relationship), then that would certainly be a good time to use that.
Alright! *cracks knuckles* *braces self for a lot of angry messages from friends*
Character revival always tends to be annoying... hence why I mostly stopped caring about anything to do with superheroes. Characters being immortal (whether that's they can only live forever, or cannot die from injury or illness, or even both) though aren't quite as bad, but only if they explore the mental consequences of being unable to die yet still feel pain and be injured horrifically. Which is unfortunate, because it's a route that is probably more interesting than just some person who is able to endure literally everything with not a single problem. Unless, of course, it is self-aware, and in my opinion self-aware stories can get away with a lot more because they realise it's stupid.
I suppose there would be a few times where I would be ok with revival - first of all, if it's not an ex machina, and if there are problems with the revival process that damages the character in some way. Because being able to just revive some old lord with about a thousand and one powers to win a war or something is just way too overpowered, especially if they retain their powers/ don't take any time to recover from being revived and to adjust to the new world.
Oh, that sounds like an interesting way to have perspectives switch. Usually whenever I do them, it's just between a group of characters, choosing the ones where the action is happening to keep everything flowing. Occasionally, I throw in a completely unknown character for mystery purposes (a character that will later be revealed, but will not have another chapter from their perspective - this is always a character trying to stop the protagonists, or associated with the people trying to stop the protagonists, and rather than showing their name at the top of the chapter like I do with everyone else, I just put '???'), but it's not often. But yeah, that's a very interesting idea, it could make for some unique scenes :)
It always bugs me when writers make villains purely evil... I keep reading fiction with some really awesome villains, and then they just waste everything about them by making their sole focus on destroying the world (for example), with no real motivation other than because they're evil, which makes no sense. And then, if they do try and justify it, it's generally poorly done, like 'they killed my father!' or something like that. Surely they would question whether it was justifiable revenge? Would they not wonder if the collateral damage (e.g civilians) was worth it? And if not, why are their henchmen just obeying everything they say? Not every 'evil' person can be devoid of morals. Unfortunately, it seems that too many people avoid these questions, and hence I don't really enjoy reading as much anymore because it almost always lacks the thought that I like to see behind plots and characters. Right, mini-rant over. Time to get back on to everything else lol.
Just out of curiosity - do they join up with the heroes? Or is it that they help, but more in their own way, so they do their own bit without the help of the heroes (I'd imagine that the heroes wouldn't trust them considering what the villain probably did to them beforehand)?
Ooh, so evil... I love it! Reveals like that are always so crushing for the reader, especially if it is shown that the antagonist has lost their mind, and therefore is nothing like who they used to be. Is it going to be built up that the protagonist looks up to their sibling, or some sort of relationship like that? And if it's a last minute reveal - because if the sibling has changed so much after what made them evil then the protagonist may not recognise them immediately - then that would just be awful >:D Maybe only the protagonist recognises the antagonist, but not the other way round? That would be pretty bad too.
Maybe you could re-shuffle some of it, and place some of the scenes later? It really depends on what the scenes are showing - if it's world-building things, then maybe these things could be subtly mentioned or hinted at as part of the scene or maybe in a short bit of dialogue in the beginning, rather than being shown entirely? Though important character moments are quite difficult to re-organise. I think you might need a few time skips in there if it's that many pages, or, maybe if not, have a few scenes for character interaction to spread out the action a little? Again, I'm not quite sure what you're writing, so it's hard to comment on it, but I hope some of that helps.
Rather than trying to cram everything in, maybe have a second document where you have notes on potential scenes for the game, and try and keep things separate? If you're planning on making a game, having a few extras in there that aren't in the story would probably make it more engaging (not saying there's anything wrong with making almost everything in a game based off of a story exactly the same, but things in a game are probably not going to last as long as scenes in a story, especially if the player is some sort of god of video games lol). So maybe you might want to consider cutting a few things out? Unless, of course, everything is majorly important to the plot, in which case, I really don't know. Combining scenes maybe? It might be a bit of an overload of information though.
Thanks! :) It's good to know that I've got that right lol (I'm usually better at making characters detestable, and as such I don't have much practice in making characters that people like. I remember one friend I showed a story to used to get seriously angry every time I mentioned the name of one of them after one particular scene ha ha).
Actually, his people hardly know much about him. He doesn't take much of an active role at this moment in time. So basically, he has two fathers - one who is overprotective and is not... controlling, but certainly tends to hint towards the main character doing as he wishes, and the second who is a lot more open and encourages the main character to be more active before he eventually takes the role of king. The reason he's going to leave the castle because his second father wants him to go out there and actually interact with the people. Part of this is going to be helping one of the patrol groups.
Yeah... maybe they get stuck in a trap or something, and they're forced to work together to get out of it? And the trap has left them both too injured to continue fighting, and so they agree that for the sake of both their benefits they work together? I think that sounds good, and I was going to have a second human character, so I can work on the basis that all of the main character's group were killed, leaving the two humans. Though they could always send out a second search party, so... I suppose I'd just have to give them enough time to bond and make him care enough about the two humans (or, at least one of them) to try and actively avoid being found? But then he would be worrying his fathers about it, and he is very much attached to them and would want to return to the castle so that they know is ok... oh dear, I'm going to run into many walls when it comes to this lol. |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 at 8:33 PM |
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Oh dear X)
True, if there is a price to the revival where something is lost for the gain usually where more is lost than gained
I sometimes go to the perspective of another character who won't be traveling with them all of the time, they are an earlier host to the demon and immortal(no aging) but for mortal damage(they can die if fatally injured, I've already written their death scene I'm horrible)
The demon must ask permission to possess anyone and thus make deals, though in this story he gains the permission of his current host(the kid) because he's trying to save his life and begs them to agree to let him take his body
They are a character who helps the protagonist and demon escape/brings them to the new world and connects them more to civilians
There isn't exactly a group of heroes, there are civilians and people who can be hurt by chosen actions though, the conflict is more internal for the protagonist, they don't even know they are being hunted down by their sibling
They can become the hero if the protagonist goes the more insane route, where the demon becomes a more active role rather than passive as both of their views of the world change to the worst as ptsd becomes worse and they end up in more conflict with others
The demon is the only one who's concerned of the two to being in any danger(their host is barely a teen, and now has physiological disorders from something that happens in the beginning before the journey begins that forces them into the world and away from home), for the most part the story is centered around their journey and experiences along the way and decisions made
They for the most part only interact with each other since the child became mute and the demon is in their head
Only the protagonist recognizes their brother, they are not recognized as the other's younger brother thus he kills them without any remorse as the protagonist refuses to let the demon kill their older brother
Being mute they can't really say anything like "it's me, your brother!"
Though I did start planning recently to maybe have his last words(he is optionally mute, thinking maybe he'd say goodbye or something but to the demon and ignored his brother as he instead is more concerned about the demons safety as he needs a host to live) make his older brother realize what he did
The actually evil person(who is a psychopath/professional assassin for hire) is a character who is one of the knight's who feigns a friendship with the antagonist(they planned out the murder of the younger sibling so that he can have more control and try to direct the older siblings decisions for the kingdom but revenge wasn't something he expected the older sibling to set out for, they are acquainted with the antagonist's real father) and directs them into their path, the plan was for them to be killed by the antagonist along the way after they find out, but with all the time spent trying to find a "evil" demon he still continues searching even though the true killer of his brother is dead because he feels this need to continue
It would be hinted at that his companion would be the truly evil person they are to try to fool people into thinking he would get a bigger role all of a sudden but then with his death it solidifies the antagonists path and removes the idea that he can be redeemed and that his original personality is gone, it's an important point in the writing because that's were I hope to get people to truly fear that he will go through with killing his own brother and fully realize that he is the villain in this story
In the chapter I introduced the protagonist's sibling I spent the chapter trying to show how close they are(and since a lot of the beginning chapters are actually poorly written I need to go back and rewrite a bit, will probably spend more time showing interactions between them)
They are royal siblings, but his older brother was born from a different father so they share a mother but even though he is the oldest the younger sibling's role is to take over the kingdom when older. Since he is a ****** a majority of the kingdom usually ignores him and his only attachment is to his little brother
A lot of the things written on the last 20 pages won't be in the story,(the game if possible will have a lot more routes and statistics to add up and events) the protagonist isn't evil as far as I've planned the writing to be, but a lot of the different little things I've written down have them even turning against the demon. The writing was gonna be a neutral route ^^;
I like the idea for another document for potential parts, will probably do ^^
I could try to combine some of the beginning chapters, those ones are the especially slow ones
Sounds like a good idea, good luck avoiding problems while writing it :)
Are his fathers the kind of people who would really not like humans?(I think you mentioned earlier the monarchy didn't like humans, does that include them or-?) |
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