Hello, and thank you in advance for your time. I am trying to breed Lighiras with specific genes, but have encountered a problem. Here is the problem (I hope it's not too small to read):



As you can see, I bred 2 Lighiras with Savannah genes in Gene Slot 1 and 2. They produced an offspring with Gene 1 carrying Appaloosa and Gene 2 carrying Savannah. The great grandmother on the mother's side displayed Appaloosa in Gene slot 1, but should this affect the grandchild?

Another question is that if you look at the breeding of the grandparents on the father's side, how do two Lighiras displaying White Peacock + Savannah in Gene slot 2 produce an offspring DISPLAYING Savannah in that slot? Don't you require two of the same gene/mutation to display? The same can be seen on the mother's parents: Savannah + Appaloosa in Gene 1 = Savannah?

Do captured Sylesti have some mysterious hidden genes from their unknown parents or something? If so, how can you ever actually breed what you're trying to breed?

Here is another example:


I bred the same male with another female. Parents displaying Savannah + Savannah in the first 2 gene slots produced an offspring with Savannah and White Peacock? And the great grandparents on the mother's side were Ocelot + Savannah in gene slot 1 and produced a visible Savannah?

Obviously I don't understand how the breeding on this game works, so I need help.

This doesn't just happen with Lighira. I assume that not all of the carried traits are listed in your pictures, right? I assume so, because the grandfather on the father's side shows wings, but the father isn't shown carrying them.

The site uses real life genetic structure for its breeding feature. In your first scenario, the grandparents on the father's side both display a visible gene in slot 2. Because they are both visible, the offspring is 100% guaranteed to have a visible trait in that slot. In this case, Savannah is dominant so it is visible and White Peacock is recessive, so it is carried underneath the visible Savannah... If that makes sense?

Basically- Visible A + Visible B= Visible A and Carried B (A+B=AB)

As for on the mother's side, same as above. Even though the mother does not display Appaloosa, it is highly likely that she carries it as a recessive gene. Assuming the father also is carrying an Appaloosa gene, the offspring will display that over a dominant trait that may also be present because both parents carry it. 2 of a recessive gene will be stronger than 1 of a dominant trait.



For your second example, again, I assume not all carried traits are listed. The grandfather on the father's side shows White Peacock Wings, so the father should be carrying them, and I assume one of the grandparents on the mother's side is carrying Feathered Wings, which is dominant to White Peacock Wings. The carried Feathered Wings carried to the mother, (along with both dominant and recessive genes as I explained them above) and those genes passed through to the offspring.

I hope this isn't too confusing... I can try to explain better. >//<

Thank you for your reply. Every carried and displayed trait is listed. I print screened + copied every picture of the traits directly from their pages.

If you click the picture it will take you to the offspring's page, and then you can see the father is not carrying the wing trait...

I would have thought the same as you, but the breeding isn't making sense to me.

Your parent pets are not tested. ^-^ They have carried traits. I can test the parents for you, if that will help solve your mystery.

Edit: Just realized they aren't yours. The other user's pets aren't tested, that's why you can't see their carried genes. :p Everything on the offspring should be right.

Aaaha! He does belong to me and I did test him just now. You are correct! Thank you for clearing up that mystery! XD

Oh wait, I just re-read your post....I did not know that if the parents both display a trait in a slot, the baby is guaranteed to display one of those...? Well that makes things more complicated, I guess. I will have to think more about this because it throws a wrench in my breeding plans...

The "Hidden" recessive genes thing in captured parents is messing with my head!

Yes, when you capture a pet, it still needs to be tested to see if it carries any hidden genes. You can also check a pets URL code to see if it is carrying any recessive genes behind a visible gene. (Your pet needs to be tested to be able to do this.)

Basically, if one pet shows Savannah in slot one and its mate shows White Peacock is the same slot, because Savannah is a dominant trait, it will most likely be the one to display on an offspring.

Uhm, just like, for example... Your mom has brown eyes and your dad has blue eyes. Brown eyes is a dominant trait, so you may have visibly brown eyes. However, since your father has visibly blue eyes, you have that blue-eye gene inside of your DNA (like a code, if you will). So, say, you marry someone with visibly blue eyes. Even though we know that your brown eyes should be dominant, because you have that recessive trait for blue eyes, your baby could end up having visibly blue eyes. If that helps you understand a little better. :p (I don't know what color your eyes are, I just used a real-world example because it might make more sense. aha)


I will show you an example of the dominant and recessive gene in a code, just a second.

Ok, so. When you capture or breed a pet, you can only tell what visible genes that they have, until you test them. To look at a pets code, you can click and drag the pet's image to a new tab, or you can right-click and select the option that says something like "Copy Image URL" or "Copy Image Location" and then paste into a new tab/address bar.

This is Beau,
I will use him to show you how the pet's codes work.

When Beau was first hatched, his code looked like this:

http://www.sylestia.com/imagebuilder.php?species=zolnixi&breed=sylesti&gender=male&
gd1=AA&gd2=NN&gd3=AA&md1=AA&md2=BB&md3=AA
&ec=a0b5d4&c1=b49985&c2=e9eeec&c3=c9b3d6&gd1c=ebeeef&gd2c =e6dadf&gd3c=eeecf1&md1c=e6e5e6&md2c=9e7baf&md3c=e9e9eb&maturity=98&size=250

Its pretty long and a little confusing. You really only want to focus on the part that is red, when looking at a pet's code, which I've separated from the rest of the code below.

After I tested Beau, this part of his code changed, like this:

Before: gd1=AA&gd2=NN&gd3=AA&md1=AA&md2=BB&md3=AA
After: gd1=AB&gd2=NB&gd3=AA&md1=AA&md2=BB&md3=AA


The part that used to be NN is now NB, showing that he has a carried trait in that slot (gene slot 2).

The part that used to be AA is now AB, showing that he is showing a visible trait but also is carrying a recessive trait in that slot (gene slot 1).

You can use these codes when breeding for specific traits and/or if you're trying to avoid specific traits. All traits, in the code, will be listed from A-N. The higher the letter, the more recessive (B is recessive to A, C is recessive to B, etc.) N means that there is no trait. NA means no visible trait, and A is carried. NN means no visible or carried trait. AA means that A is visible and there in no carried trait, AB means A is visible and B is carried... Oh, the letters are in order as they are in the drop-down lists in the generators, so if you don't remember which gene A represents for that pet, you can just check in the generators. (For example: A in gene slot 1, for Lighira, is Bengal. B in gene slot 1, for Lighira, is Savannah, etc.)

So when I applied this technique to the first hatchling's mother, as I am interested in seeing whether she carries the appaloosa trait as recessive in gene slot 1, I got this:

gd1=BF&gd2=NN&gd3=NN&md1=NN&md2=NN&md3=NN

So from my understanding of what you said, the red F indicates that she does, in fact, have that recessive trait on gene slot 1 (I checked, and F does indicate Appaloosa)? Otherwise it would just say BN (Because N means no trait in that slot, and B is for Savannah?)

Ok....I think I am beginning to understand this, and it's a lot more complicated than I had previously thought! I'm going to have to start making charts and taking notes. LOL!

Edibbs, I sincerely thank you for taking the time to answer my question so thoroughly! You have done so much to help me in my noobery! ^_^ Thank you!!!

Sorry to keep bugging you, but I had another question >_< According to your post, the dominance of traits is determined by alphabetical order, so shouldn't Savannah (B) have been dominant to Appaloosa (F), and therefore Savannah should have been displayed?

I hate Appaloosa, and was so shocked and appalled when it cropped up in my offspring!! LOL

I just want to point out that visible traits will display as AA, BB, CC, etc is there is no carried trait in the same spot. :p Other than that, you got it! :) You're very welcome I'm glad to have been able to help. :D